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July 26, 2012 4:13 pm

"What kind of stupid player would want to play with better players?? Shouldn't they want to continue to carry the team on their backs at all times by scoring 30 a night, but coming up short?"

After trying it during the 04-05 and 05-06 seasons, Kobe learned the hard way that this doesn't work.
twocoach
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July 26, 2012 4:20 pm

"whereas your "Three Kings" opted to gang up with eachother in a coordinated manipulation of the free agency system, with Lebron and Bosh spurning their former teams in the process."

A coordinated manipulation of the free agency system? If you mean:

1) Become a free agent
2) Talk to the teams that are interested in you
3) Talk to perspective teammates
4) Sign with the team that meets the criteria that you have

Then, yes, they MANIPULATED the system. How is it that their signings were manipulations, yet everyone else's is just a simple free agent signing?

Hasn't EVERY free agent signing that resulted in a player changing teams in the history of sports been a player "spurning their former team"? James and Bosh served their time in basketball hell in Cleveland and Toronto. They were not responsible for staying their for their entire careers simply because they were unfortunate enough to have been drafted there. Imagine if the Hornets weren't dumb enough to trade Kobe for Vlade on draft day.
twocoach
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July 26, 2012 4:23 pm

"But the point is that you only find the one that DOESN"T PLAY FOR YOUR TEAM sickeningly so. I find Kobe to be sickeningly arrogant and so do most people that aren't Lakers fans. GETTING THE POINT YET?"

LOL, if you say so. problem is this HARDLY takes away MY point...

"If Twitter even EXISTED at the height of Kobe's game, he would have been all over it. He is too old for Twitter now."

this is weak. the guy's 33, not QUITE ready for the retirement home yet. DO try again...

"And President Clinton said he did NOT have sexual relations with that woman. Are we really going to base our opinion of what happened on public comments? If so, you are every agent and publicists wet dream.

Of COURSE Shaq was OK with leaving. I would want to leave to stop working with an egomaniacal a$$hat, too. Shaq wanted to show Kobe what he would be missing and he did, as he went on to win a title in Miami while Kobe barely made the postseason for two years until they went out and got him some better teammates."

helloooo. did you happen to catch Shaq's own words as far as his leaving went? i'm guessing you didn't. HE SAID HIMSELF that Kobe had nothing to do with his leaving. once AGAIN, check your facts...


"You think it's "off-base" to have a problem with Kobe Bryant being more interested in being THE GUY than in going on what would have likely been a near-unprecedented run of titles with Shaq? I haven't met a single person that isn't a Lakers fan that is naive enough to think that Kobe didn't run Shaq out of town."

well, then you obviously don't know what you're talking about and letting your Kobe hate rule. hm, seems to be a YOU problem...Smile 

"The FACT is that Kobe is an egiomaniacal idiot but you are OK with it because he plays for your favorite team, while James is an egomaniacal idiot who you don't like because he doesn't play for your team. I can 100% guarantee that if James was a Laker you guys would be shining his knob on here every day."


this from the guy who claimed to be above such "pettiness". and btw you'd be WRONG. sorry, but i've hated LeBarfbag the second he came into the NBA because i felt he was one of the most overhyped players ever. too many people were trying to compare this clown with Michael Jordan the second he donned an Cavs uniform. THEN the idiocy about the "chosen one" flowed. spin it any way you like, but the guy makes me ill.  i'd be beside myself if he EVER wore Lakers colors...













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July 26, 2012 4:24 pm

"The problem is you claimed that an ex Lakers player traded Gasol from Memphis to the Lakers which is factually incorrect. Jerry West was not employed with Memphis at that time."



Then I was wrong. I really didn't care that much at the time nor take the time to study Jerry Wests resume. I thought he was still there becasue like you pointed out, others have made the same claim.   


"You insinuated that the Lakers have benefitted multiple times when ex Lakers players traded their all-stars to the Lakers. Again, you are incorrect."


No. I was referring to Gasol with the Lakers and then Garnett being traded to Boston by McHale.   I never mentioned the Lakers as getting other players via trade from ex players.
TurnuptheHeat
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July 26, 2012 4:31 pm

"Then I was wrong."


HALLELUJAH!!! LMAO, first time for EVERYTHING...

and no, you've been wrong NUMEROUS times. just enjoyed the admission...Laughing











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July 26, 2012 4:33 pm

"whereas your "Three Kings" opted to gang up with eachother in a coordinated manipulation of the free agency system, with Lebron and Bosh spurning their former teams in the process."
A coordinated manipulation of the free agency system? If you mean:

1) Become a free agent
2) Talk to the teams that are interested in you
3) Talk to perspective teammates
4) Sign with the team that meets the criteria that you have

Then, yes, they MANIPULATED the system. How is it that their signings were manipulations, yet everyone else's is just a simple free agent signing?
Because, twocoach, I submit to you that item #2 was a smokescreen and that for as long as it took Riley to clear enough space to sign all "Three Kings", it was a foregone conclusion that Wade, James & Bosh would be playing in Miami come '10-'11.  All of whatever constituted the rest of their so-called respective free agency periods was nothing more than a dog-and-pony show for any other team looking to bid for their services.

I realize that I am alone in this charge, and in no way do I speak for all Laker fans is any way, shape or form...it just happens to be a theory I subscribe to.
jefe101
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July 26, 2012 4:34 pm

No. I was referring to Gasol with the Lakers and then Garnett being traded to Boston by McHale. I never mentioned the Lakers as getting other players via trade from ex players.



My bad then. I guess I misinterpreted the pluralizations in your following statement:



Nice to have ex players running other teams that are willing to trade you current all star players for hope and potential, wasn't it?


The Lakers were also trying to land KG in a trade at that time. If I'm not mistaken, Bynum was the centerpiece of that Lakers trade offer. McHale went with Ainge's offer, and off KG went to McHale's old team.
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July 26, 2012 4:45 pm

"Yes you did, you implied that the Lakers were the beneficiaries of some insider shennanigans involving former Laker great and GM Jerry West with respect to the deal that landed them Pau Gasol...which is patently untrue, as both Davwy and Lakersrule correctly pointed out."


And I said I was wrong.  Thats a major difference between me and you.  You have accused the Heat of insider shennanigans without a grain of sat of proof and yet you carry on for oover 2 years as if it were fact. 


  "You suggested that the Lakers would benefit more from a Howard/Sessions combo than a Nash/Bynum combo and that by using their TE to acquire Nash they relinquished their ability to effectively pursue Dwight Howard..."



100% ..


".neither of your contentions are necessarily true "


No sh*t!


Put it to vote and I think MOST people would take Howard and decent PG vs  a 38 year old Nash and a jerk like Bynum who axctually doesn'thave that much of a personal resume.        


That isnlt a knock on Nash. I just feel Howard is >>>>   Bynum at this stage of their careers


."the Lakers didn't have Steve Nash running the point these last two seasons."



YOU said the Lakers were good enough to win when they got Sessions last year.  Hope springs eternal I suppose.    


" simply expressions of your own hopelessly pathetic opinions."


Thats your entire premise of hate for the last 2 years, isn't it?   



  
TurnuptheHeat
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July 26, 2012 5:08 pm

"  i'd be beside myself if he EVER wore Lakers colors..."

For sure. With JOY.


If you can find it in your heart to support the scum on the Lakers roster like World Hate and Bynum, then I'm sure you would find a way to get past a TV show that raised $$$ for children and a Pat Riley fan party.    
TurnuptheHeat
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July 26, 2012 5:13 pm

O,IC...and you know for sure that he was dead set on getting himself traded?  Oh, OK...well, I guess you'd know, wouldn't you!

I'm going by what HE HIMSELF said. You're going by "taking a guess" on what he wanted and why he was doing it.
As for LeBron and his "Decision" TV Special, lemme guess...this was something you supported? ...thought was a good thing?


Didn't bother me a bit. How did the special hurt the league?

 Even if he did it by holding a regular presser, you guys would still have been pissed. It bothered Cleveland fans the most which is understandable and next in line was most Laker fans casue they wanted James to rot in Cleveland. It's a "James vs. Kobe" with most of you guys, especially you and CL.


What kind of stupid player would want to play with better players?? Shouldn't they want to continue to carry the team on their backs at all times by scoring 30 a night, but coming up short?
No, they shouldn't.  Difference is Kobe remained the face of the franchise while taking whatever steps he felt were necessary to improve the team knowing that not only was his own legacy at stake, but the championship pedigree of the Los Angeles Lakers as well...whereas your "Three Kings" opted to gang up with eachother in a coordinated manipulation of the free agency system, with Lebron and Bosh spurning their former teams in the process.
Lakers have a history of improving their teams via trade or Free Agency. Cleveland and Toronto do not. You know why they do not. Is it really that hard to comprehend???? Also, you're implying that a player has a lesser legacy if doesn't stay with the same team he was drafted by his whole career? Weird, I never hear people talk down Kareem's legacy for wanting out of Milwaukee. That's just one example.

Kobe spurned the Nets before the draft was even held. He didn't have the balls to even try to build a winner. Both James and Bosh saw it was a priviledge to play in the NBA and didn't act bigger than the game by signing with lottery teams.

I hate players who manipulate the draft. Those who never stepped on a pro court or field wanting to dictate who they play for, like Eli Manning, John Elway, Kobe etc...etc...    
   
Jims_Doors
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July 26, 2012 6:15 pm

"For sure. With JOY."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA...
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fulla CRAP, as usual. maybe you were trying to guess my wife's first name or something here. hint: Joy ain't it... 

"If you can find it in your heart to support the scum on the Lakers roster like World Hate and Bynum, then I'm sure you would find a way to get past a TV show that raised $$$ for children and a Pat Riley fan party."

"he raised money for kids"Cry. DO give it a rest. like he's the first player to EVER do that. think that'll ever impress me...?

LOL, i was NEVER a proponent of having Ron Artest on the team. nice try. i knew he'd eventually do what he did in Indianapolis. as far as Bynum, for SURE the guy's a blockhead, but he hasn't reached the scum level yet. could he have done without tagging Barea, probably. but nothing he's gonna make a habit of IF he gets his head screwed on right... 

but we have a HABITUAL clown in LeDoofus. who knows HOW embarrassment he'd bring to Lakers gold? no thanks, you can keep him... 










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July 26, 2012 6:46 pm

"he raised money for kids"Cry. DO give it a rest. like he's the first player to EVER do that. think that'll ever impress me...?


Yeah, I'm sure you'd be more impressed if James missed a mandated charity event like Bryant did during last seasons all-star weekend. Someone letting kids down looks a lot cooler on ones resume' 


as far as Bynum, for SURE the guy's a blockhead, but he hasn't reached the scum level yet. could he have done without tagging Barea, probably. but nothing he's gonna make a habit of IF he gets his head screwed on right...


How many more times does he need to be caught parking in handicap spots (2x already) to be considered an habitual clown?   



    
Jims_Doors
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July 26, 2012 7:09 pm

Even if he did it by holding a regular presser, you guys would still have been pissed. It bothered Cleveland fans the most which is understandable and next in line was most Laker fans casue they wanted James to rot in Cleveland. It's a "James vs. Kobe" with most of you guys, especially you and CL.
Not to jump in, but will you guys ever get over this, "Oh it was only you Laker fans and Cleveland fans". I know you like to say it to fit your argument, but you guys cannot tell me that people hating the decision at the time wasn't a NATIONAL thing. Remember I said "at the time" because I could really care less about it 2 years later, just bringing up my point of view on it.


Kobe spurned the Nets before the draft was even held. He didn't have the balls to even try to build a winner. Both James and Bosh saw it was a priviledge to play in the NBA and didn't act bigger than the game by signing with lottery teams.
And Lebron not sticking it out with Cleveland is any better?!? But oh it's ok for Lebron to leave Cleveland for a better situation(which I honestly don't mind) because nothing Lebron does is wrong...but if Kobe opts for someone besides the Nets, it's an outrage. 


I'm going by what HE HIMSELF said.
He also said later that same day "I want to be a Laker for life".
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July 26, 2012 7:30 pm

how about when he puts out as many assinine tweets as LeClown. when he reaches THAT number maybe i'll let you know, door prize...










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July 26, 2012 7:37 pm

Remember I said "at the time" because I could really care less about it 2 years later, just bringing up my point of view on it.

That's fine. But some Laker fans can't get over it and continue to use it as an excuse as if a crime was committed.    


And Lebron not sticking it out with Cleveland is any better?!? But oh it's ok for Lebron to leave Cleveland for a better situation(which I honestly don't mind) because nothing Lebron does is wrong...but if Kobe opts for someone besides the Nets, it's an outrage.


He played 7yrs with mediocre players and unproven coaches.  He did what he could do for a low tier franchise knowing that there wasn't a light at the end of the tunnel in Cleveland, when it came to bring in star FA's. Same circumstances with Bosh.


Kobe, a 17yr old with ZERO NBA experience, dictates where he "doesn't" want to play?? You don't see the difference?      

Jims_Doors
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July 26, 2012 7:49 pm

He also said later that same day "I want to be a Laker for life".
"I don't want to go anywhere else. I want to be here for the rest of my career. It was encouraging to hear that."


Later Monday, he had two different messages for the Los Angeles-area media.

"I can only hope that they do something because I don't want to go no place else. I don't want to," he told radio station KLAC. "I want to stay here. I hope they can do something."

Still later, he told the Los Angeles Times in an interview that he wouldn't mind a trade. Speaking at 8:27 p.m. ET, according to the Times, he said: "Nothing's changed. It's just a matter of I don't want to go no place else. I don't have much of a choice. When things like this go down, you just sit back. What can I do? It's like a broken record."

The Times asked Bryant if he still wanted to be traded.

"Yes," he said.

   

Jims_Doors
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July 26, 2012 7:52 pm

how about when he puts out as many assinine tweets as LeClown. when he reaches THAT number maybe i'll let you know, door prize...



How about..... you realized that you got ruined again and have no retort but stupidity. Nice to see you follow James on twitter though  

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July 26, 2012 8:55 pm

FL/XXX when the Avi pops up, best description of your hero worship not 80% Cry babies.

Have nice night FL/XXX Laughing. LeBum, still talking about you after your statement from being Dirked last year in an 100% season!  
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July 26, 2012 8:59 pm

lol, simple jefe seems to be somewhat upset about our championship. there is something irking these wannabe Heat hater laker fans. falling from grace, if there was such a thing with the flakers anyway. everybody is hating on dhoward now and these sad flaker fans cant accept that lebron and the heat are just way up there and the flakers crawling in the bottom with the rest of the nba teams. why don;t u flaker fans go play godfather with nash, thats probably the best u clowns can do ha ha ha 



16 to 1.80. Yeath thats something to get mad about.

It's your now Laughing Cry baby LeBum James. 365 days plus still talking about as a flat out joke, and not the 80% but the antics. But actually DWhine Wade was the bigger punk with his Cry, flopping and dirty playing.  
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July 26, 2012 9:01 pm

Remember I said "at the time" because I could really care less about it 2 years later, just bringing up my point of view on it.
That's fine. But some Laker fans can't get over it and continue to use it as an excuse as if a crime was committed.
J_D, what do you expect, me to pretend/forget it never happened?

...and, "use it as an excuse"...for what?  People ask me why I detest the guy - "The Decision" is one of my reasons...it's not an excuse.  Listen, if people choose to forgive and forget, that's fine - I have no problem with that.  I'm just not one of them.  No crime was committed...it's just buffoonery of the highest order, c'mon, who can't appreciate that?!?!

Look, it's something to be celebrated here at the "Heat Haters" club...don't knock it!  If you want to call out Kobe for some of his histrionics, that's fine...perhaps you should start a "Kobe Haters" club - a place where you can gleefully rub elbows with the likes of Simple Jack and a ton of other Kobe & Laker haters, that's fine...just don't get so defensive about it when the farce that was "The Decision" is brought up here!

Try to think of the "Heat Haters" club as a golf course - Augusta National, if you will - where "The Decision" is akin to Amen Corner...it's just a hole you can't resist and love to revisit!
jefe101
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