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Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Posted on: February 25, 2012 5:00 pm
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INDIANAPOLIS - As the skill position players prepare to take their shot at breaking the 40-yard dash record Sunday in the most anticipated annual event at the Scouting Combine, confusion continues to permeate the instant results.
  
NFL.com is reporting the times, first an "unofficial" clocking shortly after prospects run and later an "official" time. A source told NFLDraftScout.com that the first clocking is a hand-held time and the second comes from National Football Scouting, which conducts the event and distributes the official reports to NFL teams.
  
Of the 36 offensive linemen NFLDraftScout.com noted unofficial and official times for Saturday, 33 had slower times in the official listing, three were the same and none were listed as faster than their unofficial timing. Sixteen players had an official time at least a tenth of a second slower than their official time, led by Georgia's Cordy Glenn, who dropped 0.19 seconds from a blistering 4.96 to a 5.15, still highly impressive for a 345-pound man.
  
However, that's still not Glenn's "official" time.
  
Those who participate in the 40 run twice, and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement). Combine data put together for NFL teams by National Scouting includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time.
  
That information isn't typically known for a week or two following the conclusion of the Combine, and it's not known what number is being provided to the NFL Network and NFL.com during the event.
  
It's an important asterisk to consider when the speedsters take the field at Lucas Oil Stadium on Sunday.
  
While Chris Johnson is widely reported to hold the Combine "record" in the 40-yard dash, documented data by NFLDraftScout.com shows Trindon Holliday's 4.21 in 2010 to be the fastest clocking since 2000 (Johnson ran a 4.24 in 2008). The fastest verifiable time in Combine history was a 4.12 by Bo Jackson in 1986 on manual stopwatches in the Superdome.
  
Saturday's 40 action was topped by Oklahoma tight end James Hanna, who posted a 4.49, according to NFL.com. Georgia's Orson Charles, who lifted 225 pounds a staggering 35 times on Friday, chose not to run the 40.

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Since: Mar 30, 2008
Posted on: February 27, 2012 2:18 am
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Cool story bro.



Since: Sep 5, 2010
Posted on: February 26, 2012 9:47 pm
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Yeah @falconstud99... that's what happened. That one in a billion chance happened twice and yet somehow I was entirely too blind to see the other kid get a 0.2 second head start.

Evidently based on your username, you think pretty highly of yourself. Sadly, it doesn't seem very justified other than in your head.



Since: Mar 30, 2008
Posted on: February 26, 2012 4:53 pm
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Obviously you do not know how forties are timed.  They are based on when the first movement happens.  So if timed properly a guy can very well win the race adn still lose the timing based off the movement off the start.



Since: Sep 5, 2010
Posted on: February 26, 2012 1:36 pm
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Sadly, this isn't even news for some. A few of these so called "volunteers" have particular players they enjoy (i.e. want to promote) and hand-time these kids at 0.1, 0.2 or even 0.25 faster than the official number. Of course, by the time that latter number is disclosed the hype (damage) is already done.

Funniest/Saddest thing in the world... a handful of years ago, I sat on the sidelines at a pro-day for a D1 college team and watched the so-called "experts" time a soon-to-be 1st round WR versus a lesser known kid who was a senior with almost no chance other than FA. The second kid beat him head-to-head not only once but during BOTH of their races (each only ran twice that day).

The following day I read in the newspaper the so-called future-star ran a 4.45 and the second kid got a 4.54 (?!?!?).

Yeah, the system works.



Since: Nov 10, 2010
Posted on: February 26, 2012 1:00 pm
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Hill's, Floyd's and Wright's times in the 40 should be particularyl encouraging to Raunchy Moss, Braylon 'hands of stone' Edwards, TO and Lousy Stinko.  Nothing like having some quick, fast, sure handed, humble route runners entering the league at reasonable prices.
 Of course, these guys aren't DIVAs so they don't sing or act as well as the 'Big Four' but all look to be better players. 



Since: Dec 12, 2011
Posted on: February 26, 2012 11:46 am
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

I like what Jerry Jones suggested. All the interviews should be aired. He claims it would be more entertaining. 



Since: Dec 12, 2011
Posted on: February 26, 2012 11:41 am
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Sure running a fast 40 is impressive. Taylor Mays had the best 40 the year he was drafted and one of the better overall combines, his ex coach at USC Pete Carroll wouldn't take him in the 1st round, he couldn't make the team on the 49ers who drafted him in the second round then traded him to Cincinnati for a 6th round pick in 2013, he is still a back up on Cincinnati. He is lacking the one essential ingrediant, Desire. I remember on the day of the draft he was all pissed off and told the world he was a first round quality player, he lambasted his ex coach saying he would make Carroll pay. Although Mays is a great player in his own mind, in the NFL he is a glorified bench warmer.



Since: Oct 15, 2006
Posted on: February 26, 2012 10:17 am
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Charles was clearly the slowest of the tight ends.  He joged frequently between throws.  No wonder he didn't want to run for time.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 26, 2012 9:44 am
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

If it's done with two electric eyes that trip on and off there is no disputing the time. This is way more hype than substance.



Since: Dec 31, 2007
Posted on: February 26, 2012 9:38 am
 

Official 40 times? Watch Combine with an asterisk

Could this be a Union thing? One machine would replace 4 fat guys sitting around with stop watches?


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